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    Dit is 'n alombekende feit dat die Franse Tempelridders vrymesselaars was. Ons weet ook dat messelaars gewoonlik hoogs spirituele mense is.
    In hulle tyd was dit duidelik watter God tydens byeenkomste aanbid is nl Jesus, maar waar staan vrymesselaars vandag t.o.v aanbidding?

    Vervolg...

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    Pionier,

    Van Ossewa-Brandwag na Broederbond, tyd het die gewoonte om alles wat goed is te besmet met die verlustinge van die mens. Vandag is daar vele groepe wat onder die vlaandel van die Templiere beweeg, met menig uiteenlopende denkstrome, elk met 'n eie idiologie.

    In die artikel word 'n kort beskrywing van die Templiere gegee: The Templars

    How did the freemasons start

    The honest answers to the questions when, where and why Freemasonry originated are that we simply do not know. Early evidence for Freemasonry is very meager and not enough has yet been discovered - to prove any theory. The general agreement amongst serious Masonic historians and researchers is that Freemasonry has arisen, either directly or indirectly, from the medieval stonemasons (or operative masons) who built great cathedrals and castles.

    Those who favor the direct descent from operative masonry say there were three stages to the evolution of Freemasonry. The stonemasons gathered in huts (lodges) to rest and eat. These lodges gradually became not the hut but the grouping together of stonemasons to regulate their craft. In time, and in common with other trades, they developed initiation ceremonies for new apprentices.

    We know that in the early 1600s these operative lodges began to admit men who had no connection with the trade - accepted or 'gentlemen' masons. Why this was done and what form of ceremony was used is not known. As the 1600s drew to a close more and more gentlemen began to join the lodges, gradually taking them over and turning them into lodges of free and accepted or speculative masons, no longer having any connection with the stonemasons' craft.

    This theory is based on evidence from Scotland. There is ample evidence of Scottish operative lodges, geographically defined units with the backing of statute law to control what was termed 'the mason trade'. There is also plenty of evidence that these lodges began to admit gentlemen and former "Knights Templars" as accepted masons. Medieval building records have references to mason's lodges in 1400s.
    Modern-day Christianity has often belittled our ancient ancestors who are not here to defend themselves.
    They falsely accuse that they were nothing more than ignorant worshippers of the sun. Therefore we can, with assurance, summarily dismiss thousands of years of human spirituality as ignominious myth, believed by well-meaning, but gullible primitives. Too much of this kind of spiritual arrogance and religious pride has continued without challenge. The time has come to set matters straight. -
    - by Jordan Maxwell -


    In 'Born in Blood' Robinson makes the correlation that there is only one other group on earth that ever centered their "rituals" around King Solomon's Temple.

    The Knights Templar.

    And due to now found hard evidence in Scotland, there's really no doubt that Freemasonry was greatly influenced by the Templars, but by how much is left unknown.
    "When the Missionaries Came to Africa, They Had the Bible & We Had the Land.
    They Said "Let Us Pray." We Closed Our Eyes. When We Opened Them, We Had the
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    Hierdie het met baie meer te make as bloot wie onder die Tempeliere se vaandel beweeg dit gaan oor hoekom dit so gedoen is. Die messelaars staan ook bekend as die Wereld Elite die Illuminati

    The basic recruitment of members to further the Elite's plans is through the secret society network of
    Freemasonry which is the latest incarnation of the Christian/military order known as the Knights Templars
    who gained staggering riches and a wealth of esoteric knowledge during the Crusades,

    Christofer Columbus die man wat die Amerikaanse volk op die been gebring het, het ook onder die vaandel van die Tempeliers beweeg

    The USA was founded by the Elite for the very reason of executing the plan to control the world. It is this
    nation which is the hub of its wheel of influence. Christopher Columbus and his voyage was backed and
    financed by the Brotherhood, with his ships' sails bearing a red cross on a white background, the symbol of
    the Knights Templar (the chivalric order who went on to become the Freemasons etc., whose symbol is the
    red rose or cross upon a white background which represents blood and semen in Satanic ritual). Almost a
    century before Columbus, the Templars had reached North America and had already begun trading with and
    exploiting the native nations there. Since its 'discovery', the history of the USA has been the history of
    ethnic cleansing, imposition of power, slavery, mass exploitation and the worship of wealth. The U.S.
    president, generally accepted as the most powerful man in the world, is a slave to his prime allegiance, the
    Brotherhood. Even he is probably not a top-level member as it is wiser to hide behind the tools of corruption
    in anonymity and to pull the strings in this way.
    Ons weet almal dat die Amerikaanse President die magtigste man is, hierdie is egter nie toeval nie, dit was so beplan.

    In the last century, with the acceleration in technological development, particularly in terms of
    communication, the Elite have sought to realise their ambitions more swiftly with more blatant and
    definable aims: the creation of a World Government; a world currency and bank; a world army; the control
    of public opinion culminating in a microchipped population connected to a central computer; the destruction
    of any alternatives to their System; and to make huge amounts of money in the process. This sinister plan by
    the Elite has become popularly known by researchers as the New World Order.
    Die aanvanklike doel van die Messelaars waarvan die Tempeliers die grootste deel uitgemaak het was om strategiese beplanning te doen. Satan en sy trawante het dit baie gou agter gekom. Die Tempeliers is egter nie direk geopponeer nie, eerder geinfiltreer en van binne vrot gemaak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pionier View Post
    Die aanvanklike doel van die Messelaars waarvan die Tempeliers die grootste deel uitgemaak het was om strategiese beplanning te doen. Satan en sy trawante het dit baie gou agter gekom. Die Tempeliers is egter nie direk geopponeer nie, eerder geinfiltreer en van binne vrot gemaak.
    Groete
    Iets maak nie vir my sin nie, die Messelaars word voorgehou as die natuurlike afloop van die Templiere, daar is 'n 400 jaar verskil tussen die ordes.


    The first headquarters of the Knights Templar, Al Aqsa Mosque, on Jerusalem's Temple Mount. The Crusaders called it the Temple of Solomon, as it was built on top of the ruins of the original Temple, and it was from this location that the Knights took their name of Templar.

    Modern Templar organizations
    By papal decree, the property of the Templars was transferred to the Order of Hospitallers, which also absorbed many of the Templars' members. In effect, the dissolution of the Templars could be seen as the merger of the two rival orders.[58]

    The story of the secretive yet powerful medieval Templars, especially their persecution and sudden dissolution, has been a tempting source for many other groups which have used alleged connections with the Templars as a way of enhancing their own image and mystery. Since at least the 1700s the York Rite of Freemasonry has incorporated some Templar symbols and rituals, and has a modern degree called "the Order of the Temple". The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem, founded in 1804, has achieved United Nations NGO status as a charitable organization. There is no clear historical link between the Knights Templar, which were dismantled in the 1300s, and any of these other organizations, of which the earliest emerged in the 1700s. However, there is often public confusion and many overlook the 400-year gap.
    Wat duidelik voorkom is dat die kerk van die dag (hoer van Babilon) en die Koning Philip IV van Frankryk die oorsaak was van die einde van die oorspronklike Templiere. Die kerk van die dag was en is ook die rede waarom die Templiere in 'n swak lig gestel word.


    A Knights Templar seal
    Knights Templar
    The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (Latin: Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici), commonly known as the Knights Templar or the Order of the Temple (French: Ordre du Temple or Templiers).


    King Philip IV of France (1268–1314)
    King Philip IV of France, deeply in debt to the Order, began pressuring Pope Clement V to take action against the Order. In 1307, many of the Order's members in France were arrested, tortured into giving false confessions, and then burned at the stake. In 1312, Pope Clement, under continuing pressure from King Philip, disbanded the Order. The abrupt disappearance of a major part of the societal infrastructure gave rise to speculation and legends, which have kept the "Templar" name alive into the modern day.

    Arrests and dissolution
    In 1305, the new Pope Clement V, based in France, sent letters to both the Templar Grand Master Jacques de Molay and the Hospitaller Grand Master Fulk de Villaret to discuss the possibility of merging the two Orders. Neither was amenable to the idea but Pope Clement persisted, and in 1306 he invited both Grand Masters to France to discuss the matter. De Molay arrived first in early 1307, but de Villaret was delayed for several months. While waiting, De Molay and Clement discussed charges that had been made two years prior by an ousted Templar. It was generally agreed that the charges were false, but Clement sent King Philip IV of France a written request for assistance in the investigation. King Philip was already deeply in debt to the Templars from his war with the English and decided to seize upon the rumors for his own purposes. He began pressuring the Church to take action against the Order, as a way of freeing himself from his debts.

    The Templars were charged with numerous heresies and tortured to extract false confessions of blasphemy. The confessions, despite having been obtained under duress, caused a scandal in Paris. After more bullying from Philip, Pope Clement then issued the bull Pastoralis Praeeminentiae on November 22, 1307, which instructed all Christian monarchs in Europe to arrest all Templars and seize their assets.

    With Philip threatening military action unless the Pope complied with his wishes, Pope Clement finally agreed to disband the Order, citing the public scandal that had been generated by the confessions. At the Council of Vienne in 1312, he issued a series of papal bulls, including Vox in excelso, which officially dissolved the Order, and Ad providam, which turned over most Templar assets to the Hospitallers.

    As for the leaders of the Order, the elderly Grand Master Jacques de Molay, who had confessed under torture, retracted his statement. His associate Geoffrey de Charney, Preceptor of Normandy, followed de Molay's example, and insisted on his innocence. Both men were declared guilty of being relapsed heretics, and they were sentenced to burn alive at the stake in Paris on March 18, 1314. De Molay reportedly remained defiant to the end, asking to be tied in such a way that he could face the Notre Dame Cathedral, and hold his hands together in prayer. According to legend, he called out from the flames that both Pope Clement and King Philip would soon meet him before God. Pope Clement died only a month later, and King Philip died in a hunting accident before the end of the year.
    "which turned over most Templar assets to the Hospitallers." Baie interessant, wie is die groep wat die rykdom van die Templiere erf?

    Freemasonry
    Freemasonry is a fraternal organisation that arose from obscure origins in the late 16th to early 17th century. Freemasonry now exists in various forms all over the world, with a membership estimated at around 5 million. The various forms all share moral and metaphysical ideals, which include, in most cases, a constitutional declaration of belief in a Supreme Being.

    The oldest jurisdiction on the continent of Europe, the Grand Orient de France (GOdF), was founded in 1728. However, most English-speaking jurisdictions cut formal relations with the GOdF around 1877 -- when the GOdF removed the requirement that its members have a belief in a Deity (thereby accepting atheists). The Grande Loge Nationale Française (GLNF) is currently the only French Grand Lodge that is in regular amity with the UGLE and its many concordant jurisdictions worldwide.

    Due to the above history, Freemasonry is often said to consist of two branches not in mutual regular amity:

    • the UGLE and concordant tradition of jurisdictions (termed Grand Lodges) in amity, and
    • the GOdF, European Continental, tradition of jurisdictions (often termed Grand Orients) in amity.
    Dus kan ek my nie vereenselwig met die idee dat die Templiere "eerder geinfiltreer en van binne vrot gemaak" is nie. Die daad was 'n doelbewuste poging van die kerk van die dag om van hulle ontslae te raak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pionier View Post
    Ek het onlangs hierdie stuk ontvang, hoewel die vertaling nie baie goed is nie sal dit meer perspektief gee.
    Ons het julle kerke geinfiltreer sodat julle evangelie soos 'n feeverhaal klink - 'n onvolledige evangelie.

    PARTY VAN JULLE SKAPE WEET NIE EERS DAT JULLE VANUIT EUROPA KOM NIE, LAAT STAAN NOG DAT JULLE VAN DIE BYBELSE LANDE AFKOMSTIG IS. OMDAT JULLE ONKUNDIG IS, HET ONS JULLE ONT-NEEM? VAN JULLE ERFENIS. (Bloedlyn van Jafet)
    Die kerk, of kom ons noem dit eerder die aanvaarde Christen godsdiens wat sy oorsprong langs die riviere van Babilon onder die wakende oog van die Persiese koning van die tyd sy onstaan gekry het en toe later weer onder Konstantyn verfynd was om die politieke doelstellings van die eras te dien. Hierdie sameflansing van gelowe om uiteindelik een uit te maak sodat ons vandag onseker is wie sekere opdragte gegee het, God of Satan?

    Die werke van die bose is reeds lankal aan't werk en het met die opstel van die Christen geloof al daarmee omgegaan en gebruik die verwarring wat hy geskep het tot vandag om sy doelstellings te bevredig.

    Dat ek wel vanuit die bloedlyn van Jafet afkomstig is is 'n gegewe, die kinders van Sem kom egter van die sogenaamde Bybelse lande, die IW aanhangers poog egter met krag om hulsef as "rasegte" Semiete te verklaar, dalk oortuig hulle sommiges, sal nie algar vir die grappie val nie.

    Dat die bose listig aan't werk is om verwarring en frustrasie onder die mens te bewerkstellig is duidelik waar te neem, die mens is egter salig onbewus daarvan solank die nie uitermatig fisies benadeel word nie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanus View Post
    Iets maak nie vir my sin nie, die Messelaars word voorgehou as die natuurlike afloop van die Templiere, daar is 'n 400 jaar verskil tussen die ordes.
    The origin of Freemasonry has variously been attributed to: King Solomon and the construction of the Temple at Jerusalem,[1] Euclid or Pythagoras, Moses, the Essenes, the Culdees, the Druids, the Gypsies, or the Rosicrucians,[1] not to mention the intellectual descendants of Noah.[2] Some of the more popular theories include Freemasonry being an offshoot of the ancient mystery schools,[3][4] or that it is an institutional outgrowth of the medieval guilds of stonemasons, [5][6] or that it is a direct descendant of the "Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem" (the Knights Templar)
    Hoewel die bewyse aan die kort kant is om te verbintenis te voltrek, is die idee nie om die Tempeliers in 'n swak lig te stel nie, wat wel wil voorkom is dat die kerk van die dag nie die Tempeliers op die slagveld kon oorwin nie, en het hulle die Tempeliers se leierskorps geinfiltreer en daar die oorwinnning beklink, in die mees onlangse geskiedenis was dit ook presies hoe hulle Suid Afrika aan die kommunis oorhandig het.


    "which turned over most Templar assets to the Hospitallers." Baie interessant, wie is die groep wat die rykdom van die Templiere erf?
    Knights' Period
    The Knights Hospitallers captured and established their headquarters on Rhodes when they left Italy after the persecution of the Knights Templar in 1307. Pope Clement V confirmed the Hospitallers possession of the Island in 1309. The Knights remained on the Island for the next two centuries, harassing Muslim shipping.

    In 1444, the Mamluk fleet of Egypt laid a siege to Rhodes, but the Knights aided by the Burgundian naval commander Geoffroy de Thoisy beat off the Muslim attack.

    After the Fall of Constantinople in 1453 the Ottoman Empire began a rapid expansion and in 1480 Sultan Mehmet launched an invasion of Rhodes commanded by Mesic Pasha. The defenders repelled Turkish attacks from both landward and seaward sides and the invaders left the Island in defeat. The defeat halted a concurrent invasion of the Italian peninsula by Ottoman forces and prevented possible Muslim incursion and control of Western Europe.

    After the Ottoman defeat in 1480 the Knights Grand Master, Fabrizio Del Carreto, oversaw the strengthening of the cities over the next few decades. By the time of his death in 1521 Rhodes possessed the strongest fortifications of any Christian Bastion in the World. The continued Naval attack launched from Rhodes on Muslim Merchants until 1522 the newly enthroned Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent led a second Siege of Rhodes (1522).

    The vastly outnumbered Knights made a spirited defense of the city and inflicted heavy casualties upon the Ottoman besiegers. In December 1522 the Knights and Suleiman came to terms and the Knights were allowed to leave the city with all the wealth they could carry, in return there would be no retribution upon the inhabitants of the city and they would be allowed to continue to freely practice Christianity. On January 1st, 1523 the Knights departed from the island, leaving it to Ottoman control
    Dit wil voorkom of die bates gebruik was om die volgehoue aanslae van die moslems af te weer, ek dink die RKK het ook hulle hand in die sak gesteek.

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    Die geskiedenis van die Messelaars is meer duidleik opgeteken vanaf die ontstaan van die meer moderne Scottish rite losie

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    Die fokus is juis op moderne Vrymesselary en wat dit vir ons inhou, kom ons beweeg aan na seker dié bekendste messelaar van die "moderne" era. Albert Pike

    Albert Pike was born on December 29, 1809, in Boston, and was the oldest of six children born to Benjamin and Sarah Andrews Pike. He studied at Harvard, and later served as a Brigadier-General in the Confederate Army. After the Civil War, Pike was found guilty of treason and jailed, only to be pardoned by fellow Freemason President Andrew Johnson on April 22, 1866, who met with him the next day at the White House. On June 20, 1867, Scottish Rite officials conferred upon Johnson the 4th to 32nd Freemasonry degrees, and he later went to Boston to dedicate a Masonic Temple.

    Pike was said to be a genius, able to read and write in 16 different languages, although I cannot find a record anywhere of what those languages were. In addition, he is widely accused of plagiarism, so take with a pinch of salt. At various stages of his life we was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and philanthropist. A 33rd degree Mason, he was one of the founding fathers, and head of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, being the Grand Commander of North American Freemasonry from 1859 and retained that position until his death in 1891. In 1869, he was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.
    Pike word deur baie beskryf as die argitek van die eeeste, tweede en derde werld oorloë.

    Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architects of the New World Order. In the 19th Century Albert Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order. Based on a vision revealed to him, Albert Pike wrote a blueprint of events that would play themselves out in the 20th century, with even more of these events yet to come. It is this blueprint which we believe unseen leaders are following today, knowingly or not, to engineer the planned Third and Final World War.

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    Pike skryf die volgende aan Mazzini 'n lewenslange vriend en messelaar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike

    In the year 1896 there appeared in Paris a curious publication called ‘Le Diable au XIXieme Siècle’. It was an attack upon Freemasonry, and came out in parts, illustrated with grotesque and revolting engravings. The name on the title-page is Dr Bataille, but it is stated in the British Museum Catalogue that the real authors were Gabriel Jogand-Pagès and Charles Hacks. The book, with evident knowledge and a show of authority, set out to trace the connection between Freemasonry and revolutions, but its sensationalism and the extremely doubtful character of some of the documents produced brought it into disrepute. It is now forgotten, and yet it contains a good deal that can be verified from other sources, and some things which seem to be verified by recent events. In particular there is a letter-or an alleged letter-said to have been written by Alfred Pike, the “Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry” assisted by the Ten Ancients of the Grand Lodge of the Supreme Orient at Charleston, to “the very illustrious brother” Giuseppe Mazzini. This letter is dated (in Masonic style) August 15th, 1871, and sets forth an anti clerical policy which Mazzini is to follow in Italy. What is to our purpose occurs towards the end of the letter. The writer explains that owing to the working out of this policy the Pope may be driven at some future time out of Italy, and that established religion will then find it’s last refuge in Russia. And the letter proceeds:

    “That is why, when the autocratic Empire of Russia will have become the citadel of Papal Christianity (adonaisme papiste), we shall unchain the revolutionary Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm, which will demonstrate clearly to the nations, in all its horror, the effect of absolute unbelief, mother of savagery and of the most bloody disorder. Then, everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the mad minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate these destroyers of civillisation, and the multitude, disillusioned of Christianity, whose deist soul will up to that moment be without compass, thirsting for an ideal, but not knowing where to bestow their worship, will receive the True Light, by the universal manifestation of the pure Lucifarian doctrine, at last made public, a manifestation which will arise from the general movement of reaction following the destruction of Atheism and Christianity, both at the same time vanquished and exterminated.”
    As ek so na die huidige wereld politiek kyk wil dit lyk of hulle, en veral die Amerikaners Pike se werk as hulle "bybel" gebruik.

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    Pike se boek 'morals and dogma' word vandag nog aan messelaars gegee met hul inlywing op die 32ste graad. Dit beslaan 871 bladsye van hoe hy dink die wereld populasie se alledaagse lewe, hul geesteslewe ingesluit beheer en gelei moet word. Volgens hom 'n nuwe "lewensboek/bybel"

    Hier is 'n aanhaling uit 'morals en dogma',

    ``That which we must say to the
    crowd is, we(masons) worship a God, but it is
    the God one adores without
    superstition.... The Masonic religion
    should be, by all of us initiates of
    the high degrees, maintained in the
    purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If
    Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (the
    God of the Christians) whose deeds
    prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred
    of man, barbarism and repulsion to
    science, would Adonay and his priests
    calumniate him?
    ``Yes, Lucifer is God, and
    unfortunately Adonay is also God. For
    the eternal law is that there is no
    light without shade, no beauty without
    ugliness, no white without black, for
    the absolute can only exist as two
    Gods.... Thus, the doctrine of Satanism
    is a heresy; and the true and pure
    philosophical religion is the belief in
    Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but
    Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good,
    is struggling for humanity against
    Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.''
    Bespreking sal verwelkom word op bg aanhaling.

    Groete


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